After listening to both Bob and Jack I thought I should add my two cents worth. First of all Croc's were Gators before they became Croc's. Seeing I was both a Gator and a Croc I am very familiar with the process. Second being enlisted we didn't have Bud and Chivas. It was more like Black Label and Jack Daniels. Third this being a family web-site the size of his man-hood could not be shown. But then again how big do they have to be when you have two mini-guns with four trays of ammo and 14 rockets.Compared to hovering down into a bomb cater 250 ft. with only two M-60s? I really think the jury is still out on this one. I think we need to put this up for a vote.