Sorry Ron, I have no memory any more. I know you were with Golly Golly that day we fought it out with that 51 down by Hard Times. I was crewin for Jack Cloud on 426. When we got back to Ankhe and we were reloading I remember you and I agreeing that the damn tracers look like basketballs when they went by. They sure knock big holes in helicopters. By the way Shoofly that should explain the brown streak down the left side of Birth Control and my never gaining any weight. Course I remember you being pretty skiny too. Do you think it could of been our diet? I don't remember ever seeing one picture of a fat Croc or Gator. Touch