Sorry for the wrong Date it's supose to be 08-04-04, Any way thanks Mark And I will keep you posted as I get more Info. we aren't even to know this much yet according to the family suport group. they told Stacie she was even supose to know. she was told by one of the Joes in Pauls company that e-mailed his wife. and Stacie call the FSG to find out what has happened and the told that she was not to tell anyone until the official release was posted, not even his parents.. all I know is that the worst fighting in Mosul since they arrived happen this morning..More as I learn it ... Paul