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Somehow I got on her list

Thought you'd be interested in this. she helped vets then sent this

"Sorry Anita, let's agree to disagree on this one. 18 year olds with guns have kept the country free enough for you to hold your views for over 200 years, and as for revisionist history, I suggest you go to the original source material and review the real real history and stop spewing propaganda put in place by the old communist of the 60's. I feel sorry for you.. and fear for my grand children.Yes, I looked through the scope of a gun, actually an attack aircraft gunsite when I was a kid. And I've not shot anythings since, but am fully prepared to if it becomes necessary. I feel sorry for you. please delete me from your list unless you want to be challenged every time you mouth that stuff. I support our troops and know we are at war for our survival. and those kids keep you from wearing a Burka. As for world affairs, I know the truth. and read the original sources. you should try it sometime.
Salute
Respectfully.
Bob Taylor

anita hull <anita_hull@yahoo.com> wrote:

It's interesting that history for you is only viewed

through the scope of a gun. There are real causes of

the killing of the Jews and others, Stalin's purges

and Mussolini's killings. Only reading material with

such revisionist interpretations limits true

understanding of world affairs.

--- Rob Taylor wrote:

> Anita,

> When the NAZIs came to power in Germany one of the

> first things they did was confiscate all private

> guns. After they disarmed the public they came for

> the Jews, then they came for other "undesirables",

> following that, they came for anyone who disagreed

> with their policy. 13 million political prisoners

> died at their hands because the victims had no way

> to defend themselves.

> When Joe Stalin took power in Russia one of the

> first things his folks did was round up all

> privately owned weapons. Then came the "counter

> revolutionary" Squads, imprisoning or killing any

> who voiced even the slightest disagreement with his

> policies. It is estimated that close to 20 million

> died in Stalin's camps between 1928 and 1952. Not

> from war but from Starvation, Abuse, Neglect and

> Murder, because they had no way to defend

> themselves.

> When Mussolini came to power.. ahhh well, you get

> the picture.

> We have a high murder rate in this nation for

> several reasons but the one that stands out most is;

> there is no deterrance to the killer. He can be

> pretty sure his victim is unarmed, thanks to feel

> good laws that would make criminals of honest folks

> defending themselves. If he gets caught it can take

> years for justice to be served.

> Finally, why not use the statistics from say 1929

> to 1965 and see what the murder rate was. That is

> when most citizens had ready access to arms, were

> trained to use them and the courts came down hard

> and fast on murder.

> I for one will keep my gun thank you. I'm not

> nearly as afraid of some mugger as I am a feel good

> politician who wants to disarm me, then tell me what

> I can and cannot do!

> Bob Taylor

>

> anita hull wrote: FACT:

> Comparison of U.S. gun homicides to other

> industrialized countries:

> In 1998 (the most recent year for which this data

> has

> been compiled), handguns murdered:

>

>

> 373 people in Germany

> 151 people in Canada

> 57 people in Australia

> 19 people in Japan

> 54 people in England and Wales, and

> 11,789 people in the United States

> (*Please note that these 1998 numbers account only

> for

> HOMICIDES, and do not include suicides, which

> comprise

> and even greater number of gun deaths, or

> unintentional shootings).

>

> -

>

>

> FACT: Among 26 industrialized nations, 86% of gun

> deaths among children under age 15 occurred in the

> United States.

>

>

> -

>

> FACT: Taxpayers pay more than 85% of the medical

> cost

> for treatment of firearm-related injuries.

>

>

> - Martin M, et al. "The Cost of Hospitalization for

> Firearm Injuries." JAMA. Vol 260, November 25, 1998,

> pp 3048, and Ordog et al. "Hospital Costs of Firearm

> Injuries." Abstract. Journal of Trauma. February

> 1995,

> p1)

>

> FACT: While handguns account for only one-third of

> all

> firearms owned in the United States, they account

> for

> more than two-thirds of all firearm-related deaths

> each year. A gun kept in the home is 22 times more

> likely to be used in a homicide, suicide or

> unintentional shooting than to be used in

> self-defense.

>

> - Kellerman AL, Lee RK, Mercy JA, et al. "The

> Epidemiological Basis for the Prevention of Firearm

> Injuries." Annu. Rev. Public Health. 1991; 12:17-40

>

>

> Back to top

>

> FACT: In a ten year span, 1988 to 1997, 633 law

> enforcement officers were feloniously killed by

> firearms in America. A handgun was the murder weapon

> in 78% (492 victims) of the fatal incidents. Over

> the

> same period of time, rifles killed 106 officers and

> shotguns killed 35 officers. A total of 253 law

> enforcement officers were slain while equipped with

> body armor.

>

>

> - U.S. Department of Justice

>

> FACT: From 1977 to 1996, the U.S. firearm industry

> produced 85,644,715 firearms, 39,024,786 handguns,

> 26,651,062 rifles and 19,969,867 shotguns in the

> United States.

>

>

> - Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms

>

> FACT: As of 1994, 44 million Americans owned more

> than

> 192 million firearms, 65 million of which were

> handguns. Although there were enough guns to have

> provided every U.S. adult with one, only 25% of

> adults

> owned firearms. Seventy-four percent (74%) of gun

> owners possessed two or more firearms.

>

>

> - National Institute of Justice, May 1997

>

> FACT: Every two years more Americans die from

> firearm

> injuries than the total number of American soldiers

> killed during the 8-year Vietnam War. In 2003, the

> total number of people killed by guns in the United

> States was 30,136.

>

>

> - Based on data from CDC National Center for Health

> Statistics WISQARS online data collection system,

> 2006.

>

>

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>

>

> SPECIAL REPORT: Results from Report Published in the

> New Scientist

>

> The July 2003 issue of New Scientist magazine

> contains

> a report about life-saving technologies for guns

> that

> should be implemented as standards for the gun

> industry. Click here to view the online report. In

> addition to pushing for existing technologies to be

> incorporated into gun industry processes, the report

> also cited new data on the risks of guns. Here are

> some facts from the report:

>

> People who keep guns at home have a 72% greater

> chance

> of being killed by firearms and are 3.44 times more

> likely to commit suicide than those who do not keep

> guns at home (Annals of Emergency Medicine, Vol 41,

> p.

> 771).

> A recent survey of 236 types of pistols made in the

> U.S. found that:

> only 13% had a loaded chamber indicator

> only 20% had a grip safety to make it harder for

> children to use the gun

> only 21% had a magazine safety, which prevents the

> gun

> from firing when the magazine has been removed, even

> if there is already a round in the chamber of the

> gun

> (Annals of Emergency Medicine, Vol 41, p 1)

> A recent Emory University study shows that 32% of

> unintended shootings in the U.S. are caused by

> deficiencies in gun design. (Annals of Emergency

> Medicine, Vol 41, p 10)

>

>

>

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>

> Teens Say It's Easy To Get Guns

>

> A nationwide survey about teenagers attitudes toward

> guns, conducted in 2003, found that:

>

>

> 39% Number of teens who said they know someone who

> has

> been shot

> 37% of teenagers could get a handgun "if I really

> wanted to"

> 27% know of a handgun kept in their house, apartment

> or car

> 59% do not believe that "video games can make

>

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