: Remember the day very well ... was only a few days after we went down.

Yeah, and just a few days before we had that damn big CA onto that hill just north of the Dak Seang SF camp. That was the first time I saw green tracers; I thought they were kinda pretty until Chris told me what they were. Got to the LZ on about the 2nd or 3rd lift and couldn't get down; bottomed out the collective, had 0 torque, and was still holding 15 feet altitude. Finally dawned on me -- it was all that Pucker Power still holding us up!!